by reitanqild on 7/2/2014, 6:20:54 AM
I might have an even better idea, maybe easier to implement as well:
Make it socially acceptable to add an abstract (or a tldr) as the first comment.
Something along the lines of:
"""Can data driven customer acquisition replace metrics for underfunded crowdsourcing frobs? Article says yes.
Data heavy with some interesting observations nicely presented. """
Or:
"""Submitted mostly as an example of breaktrough frob design. Hoping for comments from someone knowledgeable on frobs and frosb.""" (Hi, keep it honest : ).
The rationale for not having an abstract or tldr is summarized in the faq :
"""How do I make a link in a question?
You can't. (This is to prevent people from using this method as a way of submitting a link, but with their comments in a privileged position at the top of the page. If you want to submit a link with comments, just submit it, then add a regular comment.)"""
This suggestion should work nicely along with this intent: you are free to add extra info but you don't get a privileged spot on top of the page.
(Edit: posting from mobile device, first version just to get it out)
by rahimnathwani on 7/2/2014, 6:15:16 AM
In prev discussion (id=7972941) many discussed mixing new and top posts and how they should be visually differentiated, etc. But there may be a simpler solution.
First, make “new” page default for registered HN users, “front” page for visitors not logged into HN
Yes, but having separate 'new' and 'home' pages would still incentivise me to mainly look at the home page, and ignore all new posts. I like the idea of mixing 'new' and 'top' posts on a single page, without any specific visual cues to differentiate them (except age, # comments, # votes)
by keywonc on 7/2/2014, 5:47:17 AM
Proposed solution in a picture: http://imgur.com/BEMNXUq
by howon92 on 7/2/2014, 6:11:54 AM
Agree that the comments page on HN could be more useful.
TL;DR — Make “new” the default page for registered HN users, “front” for visitors who are not logged in. Improve “comments” page to emphasize discovery of rising submissions.
In prev discussion (id=7972941) many discussed mixing new and top posts and how they should be visually differentiated, etc. But there may be a simpler solution.
First, make “new” page default for registered HN users, “front” page for visitors not logged into HN:
1. Visitors get immediate gratification and more mileage for their small time investment.
2. HN users are routinely exposed to the new posts they can vote on. The expectation for all members to play an active curator role is clearly communicated. This can improve onboarding experience for newbies too.
3. New posts get more eyeballs.
Secondly, instead of default page submissions getting all the attention, give rising ones better chance by improving current “comments” page:
1. Make it submission-centric, not comment-centric.
2. Favor new submissions getting its first comments, over top submissions getting its 100th comment.
3. If possible, display it on the default page (be it “new” or “front”) in a sidebar etc. to encourage discovery.
Some mentioned that presence of comments is a better indicator of interesting submissions than upvotes. We need a way to tell which submissions are happening, even if they aren't on the front page. This way, visitors can be attracted to the discussions as they happen as well.
HN does not need to become visually crowded. By simply switching the default page depending on login status and making minor changes to the current “comments” page I think you can get 80% of the improvement. Hope others jump in, criticize this, and come up with a good synthesis.