by alephnerd on 5/23/2025, 1:50:23 AM
by AnotherGoodName on 5/23/2025, 1:31:43 AM
Airlines have multi-billion dollar moats and are constantly on the verge of bankruptcy. If the end user can choose a competitor with near enough performance then it's just a race to the bottom with huge debts and no margins.
I can see moats in AI. Namely when i see an AI company with hard to replicate trained model weights to accomplish a specific task i see a fantastic moat. But $500million in infrastructure? That's just a big airline.
by djoldman on 5/22/2025, 11:59:36 PM
> The implication is stark: models won’t be moats. Infrastructure will.
I think the jury's still out on this one.
Infrastructure size has always been a type of moat, models may become moats, and apps (or how the models are used) may become moats.
by KasianFranks on 5/23/2025, 1:37:52 AM
Unique specialized high-value hard-to-duplicate data and datasets will be frontline moats and provide new competitive edges.
by VirusNewbie on 5/23/2025, 12:30:23 AM
I don't agree "models won't be moats"
If that's true, we'd at least see meta having a SoTa foundational model, and they haven't put one out.
Nor has Microsoft, who would probably love to have some leverage against the OpenAI weird relationship they're in.
by gwern on 5/23/2025, 1:30:58 AM
On a stylistic note, I was surprised to see David Friedman letting ChatGPT write his posts when he is a perfectly competent writer himself, and then I realized this is Dave Friedman. Turns out to be rather different!
by mhb on 5/23/2025, 1:19:10 AM
Doesn't really seem like a situation where a defensive moat is the appropriate metaphor. This is a winner-take-all effort. What's the likelihood that it is and how much investment does that justify? It isn't that far-fetched that a reasonable argument could be made for a very, very large investment.
by alextingle on 5/23/2025, 7:00:17 AM
This is all going to be hilarious when the inevitable AI crash happens. Somebody will pick up all of this infrastructure for pennies, and eventually it will come into its own years later. Just like the fibre rollouts of yesteryear.
by xnx on 5/23/2025, 5:58:41 PM
Power efficiency is the hardest thing to copy. If you're running Nvidia chips, you're going to have a hard time competing with Google.
by smodo on 5/23/2025, 6:16:34 AM
Prose like an adventure novel, content like a space opera. Lots of overconfident crystal ball gazing. Yep, must be a “future of AI” piece.
Ugh, I hate hate hate these kinds of polemics.
All this hype around what is basically a data center PLI and a low-moat foundation model company is going to screw our industry over the same way the Telco Bust (remember WorldCom???) did back in the 2000s.
ML/AI is transformative, but the costs to develop and GTM a foundational model are not significant enough of a moat, nor is DC capex a significant moat either, becuase it becomes a commercial real estate play that can demand tech margins. CoreWeave's IPO before the debt offering proves the market softening as well.
The national strategy portion is off as well. Some major players have been ignored and others overstated.