by keiferski on 10/22/2024, 3:07:41 PM
I use Anki (the most popular SRS program) daily and recommend to anyone that will listen. But I think there are three points worth making about it:
1. Many people use SRS without realizing it. Many language learning apps just build the principles of spaced repetition into the software without explicitly mentioning it. As such, it's worth remembering that the spacing effect is a scientific phenomenon, while spaced repetition is the implementation of tools to apply it, typically via spaced repetition software (SRS.)
The concept of the spacing effect seems pretty straightforward and easy to understand, but for whatever reason there is a gap between that and the "optimal" method implemented by SRS apps.
2. The software tends to be ugly and/or too complicated to use. I like Anki and appreciate the developer making it so accessible, but let's be honest: it looks like a piece of software from 1995. This scares away a lot of people that would otherwise be interested (I have personal experience with this, unfortunately.)
3. The recurring meme that "SRS is only for memorization, and I don't need to memorize things / memorization is an outdated learning method." This has been argued against (and debunked, IMO) multiple times, but the meme persists.
I suppose this is a failure of those marketing SRS to effectively teach interested parties more about memorization and why it's so critical for learning, because every time a topic comes up about Anki/SRS, this same debate appears, every time.
by marssaxman on 10/22/2024, 3:00:30 PM
I understand it as a technique for memorization, which is not a form of learning I ever have much need for.
by throwaway1114 on 10/22/2024, 1:09:28 PM
There is a limit of how much time You can spend on repetition daily and how much cards brain is able to remember. Preparing cards is big overhead, using cards by other people usually is not recommended.
by lostdog on 10/22/2024, 3:13:01 PM
I've tried, but once you fall behind you're done. The current algorithms just drown you in the cards you've forgotten. There's no way to say "I went on vacation. Please reset my progress to something manageable to me."
Plus, memorization is still hard. You have to really focus on internalizing the cards as they show up, and not just skimming them. It's work.
by aristofun on 10/22/2024, 1:26:39 PM
I guess because it's the method to _memorize_ things, not learn.
And IRL you rarely need to bluntly memorize stuff, even in foreign languages.
by dgunay on 10/23/2024, 2:36:40 AM
I use it for learning vocabulary, but I haven't really applied it to other kinds of learning. I've thought about using it for physical skills like learning to tie important knots for climbing, but the extra bit of friction with involving equipment puts me off the idea.
by srbhr on 10/22/2024, 5:48:14 PM
It sounds more like a chore. Read, write, note things down. And then re-view your cards/notes over and over. There has to be a short term goal associated like an upcoming exam, interview, etc. for spaced repetition. Although I'm lazy. :)
by dakiol on 10/22/2024, 3:32:48 PM
For me learning is fun. If I add any rule or framework or whatever on top of “just reading and practicing” then all of a sudden, learning is not fun anymore. So, I keep it simple at the expense of doing my learning not the most productive way.
by muzani on 10/22/2024, 6:18:17 PM
Because it's not the most effective way to learn; it's the most effective way to not forget.
Here's an article by the person who discovered SR: https://www.supermemo.com/en/blog/twenty-rules-of-formulatin...
To do it effectively, you'd have to have learned everything in advance and processed the knowledge in a format suited to SR. The processing itself makes it ineffective. For many things, 30% retention is good enough. It would cost more to read a book deeply with SR than to read several books shallowly without it.
If only there was a fix for that? Well, spaced repetition was designed to work in tandem with incremental reading. Which is you jump around topics related to your topic and extract the most relevant details.
People seem to have adopted only half of the pair, which is why it feels so inefficient. Supermemo was actually very efficient with this... except that it's reliant on Internet Explorer and now breaks on all modern OSes and doesn't even run on Mac. For some reason, people were able to rewrite SR into Anki, but not the incremental reading part.
However, AI seems to be taking on this role quite well. It's capable of not only incremental reading, but also processing the data into spaced repetition format. But I'll just wait for someone to build this.
by atlantic on 10/22/2024, 4:04:42 PM
I used this method to learn Latin during the lockdown. But I found Anki more trouble than it was worth. Instead I went old school and used handwritten bits of paper. Worked just fine.
by shortrounddev2 on 10/22/2024, 5:27:13 PM
Learning is not a distinct thing I set aside time to do. I am always learning, and I don't have a strategy for acquiring information
by s1110 on 10/22/2024, 12:58:32 PM
Please tell us about your experience of using spaced repetition.
Spaced repetition is widely regarded as an effective method for learning and retention [0]. And articles about spaced repetition often perform well here [1][2], which suggests a lot of you find it interesting. Yet, it seems like an even larger group don’t incorporate it into their learning process.
I’m curious to understand why. If you’ve heard of or tried spaced repetition but decided not to use it, what led you to that decision?
Was it too time-consuming, did it not fit your learning style, or was there some other factor at play? I’m hoping to go beyond the simple "I didn't know about it" or "it doesn't work for me" answers to better understand the practical barriers and perceptions.
[0]: https://consensus.app/results/?q=Is%20spaced%20repetition%20an%20effective%20way%20to%20learn%20and%20retain%20information%3F%20&pro=on
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13151790
[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35511357