• by Terrk_ on 6/4/2024, 6:00:33 PM

    Apparently, someone solved it and achieved an 1187:1 compression ratio. These are the results:

    All recordings were successfully compressed. Original size (bytes): 146,800,526 Compressed size (bytes): 123,624 Compression ratio: 1187.47

    The eval.sh script was downloaded, and the files were decode and encode without loss, as verified using the "diff" function.

    What do you think? Is this true?

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/neuralink-compression-challen... context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5hsQ6zbKIo

  • by djdyyz on 6/4/2024, 6:16:56 PM

    Analyzing the data it becomes clear that the A/D used by Neuralink is defective, i.e. very poor accuracy. The A/D introduces a huge amount of distortion, which in practice manifests as noise.

    Until this A/D linearity problem is fixed, there is no point pursuing compression schemes. The data is so badly mangled it makes it pretty near impossible to find patterns.

  • by palaiologos on 5/24/2024, 12:07:54 PM

    they're looking for a compressor that can do more than 200MB/s on a 10mW machine (that's including radio, so it has to run on a CPU clocked like original 8086) and yield 200x size improvement. speaking from the perspective of a data compression person, this is completely unrealistic. the best statistical models that i have on hand yield ~7x compression ratio after some tweaking, but they won't run under these constraints.

  • by ClassyJacket on 5/23/2024, 10:25:51 PM

    So, they're asking skilled engineers to do work for them for free, and just email it in?

    Why didn't every other company think of this?

  • by djdyyz on 5/30/2024, 6:59:12 PM

    200X is possible.

    The sample data compresses poorly, getting down to 4.5 bits per sample easily with very simple first-order difference encoding and an decent Huffman coder.

    However, lets assume there is massive cross-correlation between the 1024 channels. For example, in the extreme they are all the same, meaning if we encode 1 channel we get the other 1023. That means a lower limit of 4.5/1024 = about 0.0045 bits per sample, or a compression rate of 2275. Viola!

    If data patterns exist and can be found, then more complicated coding algorithms could achieve better compression, or tolerate more variations (i.e. less cross-correlation) between channels.

    We may never know unless Neuralink releases a full data set, i.e. 1024 channels at 20KHz and 10 bits for 1 hour. That's a lot of data, but if they want serious analysis they should release serious data.

    Finally, enforcing the requirement for lossless compression has no apparent reason. The end result -- correct data to control the cursor and so on -- is the key. Neuralink should allow challengers to submit DATA to a test engine that compares cursor output for noiseless data to results for the submitted data, and reports the match score, and maybe a graph or something. That sort of feedback might allow participants to create a satisfactory lossy compression scheme.

  • by crakenzak on 5/23/2024, 9:59:41 PM

    This reminds me a lot of the Hutter Prize[1]. Funnily enough, the Hutter Prize shifted my thinking 180 degrees towards intelligence ~= compression, because to truly compress information well you must understand its nuanced.

    [1]http://prize.hutter1.net/

  • by codingdave on 5/23/2024, 10:25:56 PM

    And in exchange for solving their problem for them, you get... ???

    I'm all for challenges, but it is fairly standard to have prizes.

  • by raffihotter on 5/30/2024, 12:06:56 AM

    200x compression on this dataset is mathematically impossible. The noise on the amplifier and digitizer limit the max compression to 5.3x.

    Here’s why: https://x.com/raffi_hotter/status/1795910298936705098

  • by djdyyz on 5/30/2024, 7:28:36 PM

  • by fattless on 5/26/2024, 12:07:40 AM

    "aside from everything else, it seems like it's really, really late in the game to suddenly realize 'oh we need magical compression technology to make this work don't we'"

    https://x.com/JohnSmi48253239/status/1794328213923188949?t=_...

  • by iamcreasy on 5/24/2024, 1:21:49 AM

    < 10mW, including radio

    Does it mean radio is using portion of this 10mW? If so, how much?

  • by jappgar on 5/25/2024, 4:02:57 AM

    why should it be lossless when presumably there is a lot of noise you don't really need to preserve