by fabian2k on 2/16/2022, 4:56:22 PM
by eatonphil on 2/16/2022, 4:02:42 PM
There are a lot of new-ish products in the last 5 years in the auth/identity space. I have been meaning to dig into them: Kanadm, Keycloak, Ory, SuperTokens, Oso, FusionAuth, CAS, maybe Authzed. I hadn't heard of Aserto yet, adding them to the list. Although I'm most interested in OSS products and Aserto looks like it is hosted-only.
If anyone has already done an independent study of the ecosystem I'd love a link.
by claytongulick on 2/16/2022, 5:02:21 PM
So much of authorization is context / application dependent, I'm struggling with this a bit.
For example, I have a cluster of services. I allow access to some of them, for certain actions, based on whether the user is part of a patient's care team.
That's very dynamic, I need to do a FHIR query to one of my services to determine that. Then there's a lot more logic, like what servicer / organization affiliation the user is part of, this is also a runtime lookup in a shared session state thing, etc...
I just list all that as a basic example, there are so many things that are application specific that require runtime evaluation, it's hard for me to understand the benefit of writing all that in a different language, in a different place, where I can't use the libraries and utilities that are already part of the application.
by sparsely on 2/16/2022, 4:06:35 PM
This looks so cool. I've always wanted something like this, especially being able to write the policies in Rego. I can't work out if it supports delegation though, i.e. service A temporarily allows service B to access a resource which normally only A has access to.
by rschwabco on 2/16/2022, 3:51:20 PM
Can't I just use Auth0 for authorization?
by bradhe on 2/16/2022, 3:49:29 PM
I've been following Aserto for a while actually, really excited to see this development. Makes a great compliment to Auth0. Also the stuff they're doing for the OPA ecosystem is awesome!
by dew2105 on 2/16/2022, 4:42:18 PM
Auth is a major challenge and pain point... and Aserto is really impressive. Love the open source vs. completely walled garden approach.
by apoland on 2/16/2022, 4:11:58 PM
I've built my own authz too many times. The prospect of having a standard framework to do this is encouraging.
This is probably a pretty stupid question, or at least based on some misconception of mine about this space. But I don't really understand how permissions as a service or API can work efficiently.
If I request a single resource, of course this can work if I ask a second API on whether the request is allowed or not. But if I query a database for a list of items, to add access control I need to modify the database query. I can't just filter after the fact, it's too easy to cause pathological performance issues there e.g. if the user has only access to a very small subset of a large list of results. How does this work with a separate access control API that can't directly modify the database query?